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1. Nestor Says:
   December 2nd, 2006 at 5:10 am

   I figured out this was naughty in the UK from watching ‘Are You Being Served’ reruns on PBS. Love that series. Anyway, It is accompanied traditionally with a juicy raspberry, a touch I like because it calls direct attention to the gesture. Better, IMO, than ‘Hey, fuck you!’

   Fferret | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 6:28 am | #

   I loved PBS! Without them I would never been introduced to such wonders as Are You Being Served, Father Jack, The Prisoner, Black Adder, Red Dwarf, Fawlty Towers, Dr. Who, … uh … that WWII show, MONTY PYTHON, and Tom Waits!

   But, that was the old PBS. Now they suck. Haven’t seen any of the good old shows, or even any good new shows, in ages. But I did get a $50 Gorey style coffee mug that changes via hot liquids … so that was a nice parting gift.

   Disreputable | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 6:53 am | #

   Daughters of… Tojo? What’s next? Sons of Yamaguchi?

   Dominic | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 6:57 am | #

   As a sanctioned representative of the UK I aprove of this exposition :P

   Cubbie | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 7:18 am | #

   Tojo was the Japanese general in WW II, you git.

   Hyung Kim | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 7:27 am | #

   And Yamaguchi served as a carrier admiral in the IJN. See, I do know my history, you, you, you KOREAN!

   Dominic | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 7:32 am | #

   “… uh … that WWII show, MONTY PYTHON”

   Ah - You are thinking of “It’s : Monthy Pythons Flying Circus” here.

   A little anecdote on this show, is that it was originally supposed to be just named “It” with an old man announcing it. But it was then decided to give it a longer name and intro than just “It”, hence they had to rush the work on it and used the now infamous cut’n'paste picture show.
   Also, the BBC had asked for a show that was political correct, so there was to be no violence, drugs, political critque and sex.
   Obviously, the show is pretty much about only that.
   And it was a wild succes.
   With undying film moments such as “I always wanted to be …. A LUMBERJACK !” and the “When I was your age” monologue.

   Ah yes … those were good times

   Anker Steadfast | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 7:33 am | #

   A mere admiral. He wasn’t the PM.

   Lumberjack Song’s a bit overexposed.
   I prefer the crucifixion scene from “Life of Brian.”

   Hyung Kim | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 7:45 am | #

   Always look on the bright side of life! *toot toot*

   And yeah, now I know why that lady got so mad at me when I told her to wait 2 minutes at a parent/teacher night I was helping set up. She looked at me like I flipped her the bird. Damn British people moving to Canada and expecting us to know about their hand-flashing things!

   On a different note, the comics make me happy. And so do the links. Whee!

   Mary | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 8:06 am | #

   That WWII show was “‘Allo ‘Allo”, which featured a cafe owner who had faked his own death and was now pretending to be his twin brother so he could avoid dealing with his wife and two mistresses. Also, effeminate Nazis, a postman who spoke english like Inspector Clouseau (”Do you have ze bumbs?”) and two english army officers disguised as stereotypical frenchmen. God how I loved that show.

   Chakka | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 8:15 am | #

   “You stuuuuupiiiid WOMAN!”

   Dominic | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 8:26 am | #

   Personally, I like the ministry of silly walks or the oven cleaner scene. Oh and SPAM. Hehe.

   Also, the V really has no historical value, its more of a cultural thing.

   sibbie | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 8:40 am | #

   Aww… but their cute.
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   Scanty | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 9:11 am | #

   “They are”
   \/ \/

   Scanty | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 9:13 am | #

   \_/(^____^)\_/ To you all!

   Scanty | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 9:14 am | #

   If I remember correctly, the v-sign was used as an insult by English archers to annoy the French. The French used to cut off those two fingers of any archers they caught, so archers taunted them by holding the fingers up.

   I’d have to look it up to be sure.

   Scott McA | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 9:40 am | #

   Ooh, Tojo had some cute daughters! I wonder if they’re go-ers, eh, knowhadImean nudge nudge wink wink eh? Go-ers? Eh? KnowhadImean knowhadImean knowhadImean? Wink wink?

   Benares | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 10:09 am | #

   I always wondered why the hell everyone gave the peace sign in Animes… And now I’m still oblivious.

   Thank you Mr. Kim!

   ClicheMan | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 11:26 am | #

   I thought the reverse V the Britts ment as ‘Up yours!’, not ‘Fuck you!’…
   … each day something new…

   c-nut | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 11:41 am | #

   ‘Allo ‘Allo! Yes! Thanks, Chakka!

   And one of the names that Monty Python was pondering was “A Horse, a Bucket, and a Spoon”, but it didn’t take for some reason.

   Disreputable | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 11:44 am | #

   I’m sorry. My mind is still reeling in horrified shock at the thought of someone watching “Are You Being Served?” willingly. You’d think the theme song alone would be enough to make most people jump out the window as an avoidance method.

   Here’s the true significance of the “V” sign: It’s something to do with your fingers while posing.

   As for the ubiquitous gesture koreans make in pictures, see URL.

   Regault | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 12:16 pm | #

   best bits:
   offc. Crabtree:
   Good moaning…
   I was pissing by your kiffie and hoard some Girmans ticking…

   leclerc:
   Mellons! Mellons! Come buy some mellons from an old mellon seller!… It is I, Leclerc!

   lt. Grueber:
   Rrrrhene….

   Michelle:
   Listen very carefully, I shall say this only wence!

   cpt. Bertorelli
   Ah! Whatta mistake-a ta-make-a!

   The little german officer whose name I can’t remember, that got out in the middle of the series:
   … tla!

   Ahh… Living behind God’s back has it’s few advantages, at least you get to see reruns of reruns of popular shows…

   c-nut | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 12:17 pm | #

   Being of Belgian Blood: “Vrijheid” is the Dutch word for “Freedom”, so it sounds a bit out-of-context with respect to the meaning of “Victory” or “Victoire”. However, since Belgium was an occupied country during the second world war, the usage of the symbol as a signal for Vrijheid sounds plausible.

   VMerken | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 2:09 pm | #

   “In the case of the V-for-Victory sign we know, for once, the exact date on which the gesture was invented and the name of its inventor. It was not Churchill himself, although it was he who made it famous. It was a Belgian lawyer named Victory De Lavelaye … Jan 14 1941.

   De Lavelaye was unhappy about the use of the letters RAF as a resistance graffito. The letters were being scrawled on walls in Belgium by the underground, as a method of insulting the Nazis, but in a foreign language they lacked clarity and he was looking for something simpler… He hit on the idea of V for Victory because it fitted not only the English word, but also the Flemish _vrijheid_ and the French _victoire_.

   After his initial broadcast, proposing the V, the BBC mounted a highly successful propaganda campaign employing the morse code symbol for V (dot-dot-dot-dash) and the opening bars of Beethovens’ Fifth Symphony. It was after this that Churchill took up the sign and used it publicly at every opportunity. Nazi propagandists became so alarmed at the success of the symbol, that they started their own counter-project, V for _Viktoria_, but it was too late. …

   The earliest record of the insult-V…comes from…Rabelais: Panurge…’stretched he out the forefinger, and middle finger or medical of his right hand, holding them asunder as much as he could, and thrusting them towards Thaumast.’ … The earliest photograph…taken at a football match in 1913.”

   http://www.urbanlegends.com/ misc…dle_finger.html

   Hyung Kim | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 2:56 pm | #

   neat story, wonder if it’s true

   DFG | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 4:03 pm | #

   Well, since I drew it already, it MUST be true. Now and forever.

   Forever!

   Hyung Kim | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 4:12 pm | #

   mais dis moi hyung c’est quoi le rapport de mettres les filles de tojo ?

   francois couture | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 5:05 pm | #

   Sadly, the single upraised middle finger palm backward is mostly used by Australians…
   I loved the V, personally. “The Goodies” did a great joke around it when they did their episode “War Babies”.

   Nick Pavlovski | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 5:55 pm | #

   Je croix qu’il n’y a aucun rapport…

   Chakka | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 6:45 pm | #

   yaaa
   really i can use that in highschool

   ZiZinn | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 6:46 pm | #

   Forever? Isn’t that a lot to ask of one little cartoon strip, no matter how clever or well drawn.

   DFG | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 7:27 pm | #

   Ha!

   The joke’s on you.
   The comic is neither clever or well drawn!

   Hyung Kim | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 10:06 pm | #

   mmmm.
   Hogties Mr. Kim and compliments him without mercy.

   Take That!

   DFG | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 10:34 pm | #

   >Sadly, the single upraised middle finger palm backward is mostly used by Australians…

   Hmmm, not so common as it used to be where I am. I mean I haven’t used it in the last… ten minutes?

   “Mr Humphries, are you free?”
   “I’m free!”

   Cristian | Email | Homepage | 07.03.03 - 11:01 pm | #

   Yep, the earlier guy was right. Since the English longbowmen were our greatest weapon in the Hundred Years war with France, the French did indeed chop the tow bowstring fingers off any English archer they grabbed hold of. As such, the ‘V’ sign (palm inward) really does mean ‘up yours’ or something even ruder, depending on context.

   As for Monty Python, how come no-one mentioned the Spanish Inquisition??

   James | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 3:46 am | #

   Yes, the Spanish Inquistion!

   Ready the comfy chair!

   I heard in a half remembered tv program that the English long bowmen were the start of the middle classes.

   They weren’t noble like the knights, but they were paid soldiers who played an important role on the battlefield. At least until the widespread usage of the musket.

   A bit of potentially inaccurate history for you there.

   Lord Raa | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 4:40 am | #

   James, earlier guy thanks you for clarification.

   And, on the subject of Monty Python:

   “He’s upstairs, forging prescriptions for the tiger!”

   Classic line.

   Scott McA | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 4:46 am | #

   One of my favorite Monthy Python clips, is in the beginning of “The MEaning of Life” where a bunch of lawyers in a very bic company, sets sail on their building and sails away in best Pirate style !

   It’s brilliant.

   Ooooo - or how about the Birth sequence, with the machine that goes [ping] and makes the doctors happy ?
   Offcourse, they end up with so many machines in the birthing room that they seem to have forgotten something … oh, the patient offcourse !

   Darn, now I gotta go see it - Again.

   Anker Steadfast | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 5:05 am | #

   Ack .. I was wrong, the pirate scene is not from “The meaning of life” at all !
   It’s a seperate short movie named “The Crimson Permanent Assurance”.

   Here’s a page with some script and some pics of it :
   http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python…on/ crimson.html

   The birthing scene is from “The meaning of life” though.

   So, there, hope I got it all correct this time.

   Anker Steadfast | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 5:22 am | #

   Aha - I found a page with some higher resolution pictures of “The Crimson Permanent Assurance” :

   http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/mov…e/ pictures.html

   It even got the ending picture where they fall over the edge of the world !

   What, you thought the world was round ?
   Well so did they !

   Anker Steadfast | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 5:29 am | #

   Why do the Ozzies say ‘Aight? Isn’t Oi! expressive enough? Did they miss the bite of a consonant? Hyung, you live close to them…well closer than I do. Explain!

   Fferret | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 7:15 am | #

   >I loved PBS! Without them I would never >been introduced to such wonders as Are >You Being Served, Father Jack, The >Prisoner, Black Adder, Red Dwarf, >Fawlty Towers, Dr. Who, … uh … that >WWII show, MONTY PYTHON, and Tom Waits!

   MPT still has AYBS, RD and the Doctor, along with Chef!, As Time Goes By, and they just reintroduced the one whose name I forget. The superhero alien dating the nurse. THey call it Brit Wit, and then black Dr. Who and RD into The Zone. Saturday nights are still good, I guess we’re lucky. This sort of thing has always for support in BaltoWash.

   Fferret | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 7:19 am | #

   Forgive grammar and syntax of foregoing. Not enough caffeine, and fooled by the window size.

   Fferret | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 7:20 am | #

   We (Australians) don’t say “Aight” at all actually. Not that I’ve heard anyway. It sounds very British (Scouser?) to me.

   Any Poms out there care to elaborate?

   Cristian | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 7:26 am | #

   Actually, James, the longbowman used their middle finger to pull their bowstring, and that was the finger cut off. To taunt their captors any longbowman with his middle finger still on would upraise it, palm inward, at the French, as a taunt that he could still fight. Now us American bastards adopted the words “Fuck you” as a new meaning for it :-P

   Kadias | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 11:55 am | #

   What sort of documentation do they have to prove this?

   DFG | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 1:01 pm | #

   Maybe a fuck-ton of fingers marked “property of English Bowmen” were found at a French construction site, but no-one knew what it meant until the French version of CSI (known as Les CSI) did an episode about it…

   I should shut up now…

   Scott McA | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 3:06 pm | #

   The person in question could be from any urban area.

   Lots of “oiks” around where I live speak like that.

   Dropping aitches left, right and centre.

   Saying “free” when they mean “three”.

   I fear for the future of the English language.

   International spellings aside.

   Lord Raa | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 3:57 pm | #

   The french thing was actually the middle finger.

   According to a popular etymology, when Henry V invaded France, the French boastingly threatened to cut off the middle fingers of every Englishman so that they won’t ever be able to shoot arrows from their famous Yew-tree longbows. After the French cavalry was decimated after a certain battle, the English waved their middle finger at them yelling, “See! We can still pluck yew! Pluck yew!”, which, undergoing various phonemic transformations, became the favorite expletive of millions of modern English speakers today.

   demodokos | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 3:57 pm | #

   The “fuck you” is not meant as a direct translation of the insult V but a verbal equivalent meant for US people who’ve never seen it. And Fuck comes from Germanic roots of the English language, not “pluck you” or other such fanciful explantions.
   entry for “fuck” from Wikipedia

   I’ve heard the bowstring theory before, it’s an interesting one, possibly true. But there really isn’t sufficient documentation to confirm it like the victory “v.”

   Could just as easily be a distinct gesture peculiar to the UK that arouse after the 1770’s (after the US revolt, since americans don’t use it). 200 year’s is time enough, I should think.

   And isn’t UK considered part of the Commonwealth? I’ve seen Aussies use the insult V, so felt just saying UK would be exclusionary. The bloke in the fourth panel is suppose to be one of them Football Hooligans. :P

   PS Yes, I’m drawing today’s strip now. Relax, have a hot dog, it’s Independence Day!

   Hyung Kim | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 4:08 pm | #

   Had a hot dog, took a nap. I would feel even more relaxed if my CD-Rom writer had not decided to eat the working copy of the benighted UJ Book. Thankfully it’s not the only copy, it’s just got about 3 hours work in it that the other copies don’t have.

   DFG | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 4:41 pm | #

   I was talking to a few people yesterday about the use of “\/” in contemporary Australian culture, and we all agreed that while it had been seen, it didn’t really have much impact. If anything, the middle finger would be more common. The two fingers gesture feels more appropriate for a kid to use, since it’s not really that insulting.

   I mean, I remember seeing it myself on “Are You Being Served?” when I was just a kid. I always viewed it more as a “up yours” than a “fuck you”.

   Cristian | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 4:58 pm | #

   I must concur, the whole bowman/”Pluck yew!” theory is a bit far fetched and sounds more like fiction (I’ve heard it a lot, and it doesn’t sound all that plausable). Ewan McGreggor says this once in some pre-Star Wars movie intreview, and all of a sudden people are presuming it to be fact. The “V” for “virgin” theory sounds more beleivable. Really, this is similar to trying to trace the origins to the “whole nine yards” saying.

   What the heck is “MPT”? Minnesota Public Television? Where I am, PBS doesn’t have these things on the air anymore. The best chance you have to see them is during a fund raising drive, where they play all the awesome stuff to get you to give money, the rest of the time it’s bunk. I blame the Republicans and other hose-bags who oppose spending on the arts and whatnot.

   Oh, and because Of PBS I got to see an expose on Kraggs. Cool shit there. You just don’t get that sort of quality from regular TV stations. Unless you think Melrose Place, “reality TV”, Friends, A Current Affair, lame-ass dating games, and such is “quality”.

   Damn. I have to brag: I am so pleasantly hammered. I have an awesome wine assortment. … had an awesome wine assortment.

   *sigh*

   It was worth it.

   Disreputable | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 6:12 pm | #

   Me thinks that ‘Up Yours’ and ‘Fuck you’ pretty much mean the same thing… and thank you Mr Kim for this wonderful piece of random history

   Country Rat | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 6:35 pm | #

   Oh… and a moose once bit my sister

   Country Rat | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 6:36 pm | #

   Actually, that wasn’t a moose .. that was me !

   All hail the the National Assotiation of Intoxicated Moose Heritage !

   WooooooOooooooooooooooo ….

   Anker Steadfast | Email | Homepage | 07.04.03 - 6:56 pm | #

   Aye, thus the ‘popular etymology’ bit. Most reputable dictionaries seem to agree that it’s derived neither from the Latin nor the German cognates, and that the earliest attested written example is in the early 1500s, but other than that, it’s pure guesswork. But the longbow thing is fun.

   demodokos | Email | Homepage | 07.05.03 - 12:52 am | #

   >What the heck is “MPT”? Minnesota Public Television?

   Maryland Public Television, fine purveyor of ‘Motor Week’ and ‘This Week With Louis Rukeyser^W^WFortune’. Generally good stuff, and they also carry the Radio Reading Network of Maryland on their SAP channel….

   Fferret | Email | Homepage | 07.05.03 - 6:23 am | #

   “If I remember correctly, the v-sign was used as an insult by English archers to annoy the French. The French used to cut off those two fingers of any archers they caught, so archers taunted them by holding the fingers up.”

   correct. bows cannot be drawn without these fingers.

   —- | Email | Homepage | 07.05.03 - 8:23 am | #

   -Actually, that wasn’t a moose .. that was me !
   All hail the the National Assotiation of Intoxicated Moose Heritage-

   Okay, if it WASN’T a moose that bit my sister and it was you, then what are you doin in the Intoxicated Moose Assotiation hmm?? Better be careful… if a drunk moose finds out that you are neither a moose or smashed, he’s liable to trample you… moose are not friendly critters, and to make it worse, they are also mean drunks

   Country Rat | Email | Homepage | 07.05.03 - 4:53 pm | #

   Or is it mooses?? Meese??

   GAH!!!!
   -brain explodes-

   Country Rat | Email | Homepage | 07.05.03 - 4:55 pm | #

   Disreputable,

   I think the “whole nine yards” is actually a recent one. I’ve heard it came from belt-fed machine guns, where to “give ‘em the whole 9 yards” would be to use a whole belt of ammo (presumably .50BMG if the belts were that long…)

   Could of course be wrong, but come to think of it, I’ve never heard it used before the 40’s.

   fuchikoma | Email | Homepage | 07.05.03 - 5:51 pm | #

   Kim, know what? I think you are Buddha reincarnate!

   And oh, the “mysterious 12m long gel” was a octopus, similar to the smaller one that washed up in california in the 1890’s. ^^

   And oh, you rock!

   And oh, I’m rather stupid..
   and.. got msn or icq? ^^

   Devosan | Email | Homepage | 07.05.03 - 5:54 pm | #

   :: Better be careful… if a drunk moose finds out
   :: that you are neither a moose or smashed,
   :: he’s liable to trample you

   I might not entirely be a moose, but I’m most certainly prober drunk and I have Moose in my family, so I’m therefore a part of the Intoxicated Moose Heritage !

   **bite**

   Anker Steadfast | Email | Homepage | 07.06.03 - 4:27 am | #

   We don’t take too kindly to half breeds in our neck of the woods!! Its unAmerican!! No, actully I’m just playin… I’m part carabu on my mothers side…… my grandfather had issues…

   Country Rat | Email | Homepage | 07.06.03 - 7:22 am | #

   I should hope he had issue. Without your mother being born, you wouldn’t have been either.

   DFG | Email | Homepage | 07.06.03 - 9:48 am | #

   Well I dunno ’bout that…
   The way my rents tell how I came ’bout is that one day the toilet backed up and out I came… now is that something you tell your six year old?? Many years later and I’m still tramatized…

   Country Rat | Email | Homepage | 07.06.03 - 12:42 pm | #

   fuchikoma -

   I have also heard that it’s origins are from Scotland, and are in reference to kilts. Kind of like “dressed to the nines” (and where did that come from?). The classic kilts used nine yards of fabric, but they later invented easier/quicker kilts that were partially pre-assembled. To go the whole nine yards was to supposedly wrap yourself in the full official traditional 9 yards of cloth (folding in your own pleats and all) - to go all out.

   Frankly, I’m as skeptical of that theory as I am of the belt ammo one.

   Disreputable | Email | Homepage | 07.06.03 - 12:47 pm | #

   Dis

   Fuch was right…
   Guns in fighter planes had nine yards of ammo, so when they used it all up they went the ‘whole nine yards’… I just called my father, (BIG WWII buff, and also a retired air force officer) and he confirmed it…

   Country Rat | Email | Homepage | 07.06.03 - 1:39 pm | #

   poop.

   poop | Email | Homepage | 07.06.03 - 11:10 pm | #

   Ah, I know all about that one. I still don’t buy it. EVERYONE who has their theory is dead set on the idea that theirs is correct, but that doesn’t make for facts. Nine yards for a suit, nine yards for football, 27 feet of ammo, nine yards for whatever - Too many people claim to know “without a shadow of a doubt” it’s origins. The football theory is the only one that is universally debunked. Several sound good, but no one can pin point it down to a specific origin. It probably was used in WWII, but that’s not necessarily its origin. If it was, I’m pretty sure that it would be widely recognized as such (there would be too many vets to attest to it and date it’s beginning). Sorry, man. I’ve actually done a lot of reading on this one, there is, to date, no conclusive theory as to its origin. And that is one point that people looking into it fund somewhat amusing.

   Disreputable | Email | Homepage | 07.07.03 - 9:10 am | #

   \\//(^____^) \\//

   Swears? Fingers = swears? O.O
   C’mon people, they’re only fingers! ;P

   Double-0-Fro | Email | Homepage | 07.10.03 - 4:08 pm

2. Neo Kojiro Says:
   December 14th, 2007 at 4:00 am

   I propose schoolgirl rape. For science!

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