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OK, you don’t. I do. I am a polite smoker, I don’t smoke indoors anymore, and I try to stay away from my ashtmatic wife and child with it. But no, some preachy idiot just HAS to come along and try to _make_ me quit, for my own good of course. I smoke a pack to 1/2 a pack a day. Yes, I would feel better, have whiter teeth and cleaner breath if I quit. It’s _my_ decision, get the fuck away from me! (*pant….pant…..sssuuucccckkkk….ahhh*)
I’d prefer to think of it as ‘The Professional” (minus Portman’s jailbait tension).
Hyung Kim | Email | Homepage | 07.01.03 – 7:41 am | #
DFG | Email | Homepage | 07.01.03 – 8:59 am | #
the US is SO biased against smokers its not even funny. They suppress smokers wherever they go. Smokers can’t eat in the same place as non smokers, they get crappier tables and services. Don’t you see? The new segregation is: SMOKERS! We must fight this injustice and get smokers’ rights back.
Texas Toast. It’s bread, but it’s been prominently labeled as “Texas”. Mine’s not even toasted, but it is Texas Toast. So … what makes it “Texas” as opposed to “fat slice of bread”?
I read a lot of Molly Ivins. She has a lot to say about Texas. She resides in Texas. She is a Texan. From her writing, comments, assertions, and observations, I have but one conclusion regarding Texas Toast.
It’s white. And it’s thick.
I have no comment on what conclusions are drawn from that.
Sibbie, think of it this way. If there were a whole bunch of Ken-Poochis out there, do you think normal people who baith would want to sit next to them when they eat? Of course not, they smelling fucking disgusting. What if you found out the smell could give you cancer too? Hell, you’d want them to be very far away AND you’d want to convince them to baith. Now replace the Ken-Poochis with smokers and baith with “quit smoking” and it’s the same thing.
Hey, I don’t mind if people smoke, that’s their choice, as long as I don’t have to be around it. There are consequences for actions, so you can’t get indignant when people don’t want to be around your cigarretes. If you want to smoke you have to accept the consequences, such as other people not wanting to be around you, and so they will make rules to keep you away. No one ever said smoking was an unbiased habit, and you really shouldn’t complain about something that you CHOOSE to do. It’s like complaining about something you get for free. If it bothers you that much, stop smoking.
Of course, perhaps I am bitter because I have never smoked a day in my life but have horrible breathing problems and and awful respiratory system from living around smokers. It’s kind of a bitch to never smoke but get all the shit from it.
Neo Kojiro> DFG, i could of lived a full and happy life without someone pointing that out to me.
Yay! Another mind disconcerted. Now I challenge you to look up the meaning of a medical intrument known as a sound. (I don’t reccomend that you do though)
DFG | Email | Homepage | 07.01.03 – 1:35 pm | #
And masturbators. I don’t mind if people masturbate, that’s their choice, as long as I don’t have to know about it. There are consequences for actions, so you can’t get indignant when people don’t want to be involved with your masturbation. If you want to masturbate you have to accept the consequences, such as other people not wanting to be around you, and so they will make rules to shun you. No one ever said masturbating was an unbiased habit, and you really shouldn’t complain about something that you CHOOSE to do. It’s complaining about something everyone can do for free. If it bothers you that much, stop masturbating.
I’ve chosen to be a masturbator, and I’ve done it for most of my life, but I still get horny all the time. I think masturbators should have their own sections, somewhere between the smokers and non-smokers, and the Ken-Poochis and the sexy people. I know that people find it disgusting, some people are hypocritical about it, that people think I’ll go to Hell for it, and that people talk about pregnancy and diseases, but sometimes I just feel the need to do it. Why should I be made to do it in the stinky nasty bar bathrooms like some sort of pariah? I feel that a safe section, devoted to a relatively common habit/indulgence, is a reasonable solution.
Why are peeps bustin on Fferret and Sibbie? It was clearly all in humor.
(Totally tongue in cheek, Misha, no disrespectin’ your health probs. I’m sorry you never had a fair shot at a vice common to so many. It’s unfair, but there are worse vices to be restricted from.)
Uhm, yeah, and the peeps around Chernobyl have developed an immunity to radiation. Does the place where you live have lead pipes? I’m pretty sure genetics, basic diet, and whatnot, play a more important role than “culture”.
And my TV doesn’t have reception, so you’ll have to explain the Daily Show thing.
I have to second that – you don’t build a lot of “immunity” against smoking, what you do have to consider when hanging around smokers is what they call “passive smoking”, that is, even though you don’t smoke, you still inhale the fumes and get an increased chance of having respiratory problems, lung cancer etc.
Of course, not even the healthiest way of life won’t stop you from dying because of a genetical defect, or a general “giving-up” of your body, or from being hit by a meteor, but it does help a little. And generally keep a distance from people smoking, watiting until they’re done, unless you’re okay about enjoying the passive thing.
Smoking is the ultimate act of rudeness still considered socially acceptable in today’s society. It shows a general lack of concern for those around you and self-centeredness bordering on the psychopathic.
Most smokers I’ve met seem to have this wierd delusion that the smoke magically disappears once its more than a foot from their body and once they’re done smoking. You may smoke outside, but the stench of tobacco clings to clothing and follows inside.
The front stoop and outside stairs of my apartment building were toxic minefields until the management finally put a sign up.
Smokers can all move to the EU and die in peace. Socialized medicine there afterall.
Here is an intresting thought-
I read that while rates of cancer causing death from smoking are down the rate of people dying from being fat has risen to take its place. So roughtly the same amount of people are dying.
The diffrence- If you are fat you take yourself out with your own choices. With smoking as mentioned above you take others too. Whee.
So on the whole it is better that people are dying from being overweight then from smoking but it would be great if america was not full of fat people as well. Since it does not just effect quantity of life but quality as well. Might as well hit the gym or at least walk for 30 min a day. Come on people!
no, it isn’t!
I am one, ergo. Because my defintion of polite is not in alignment with yours is no reason to dismiss it out of hand, nu? And I can assure you, I am polite. Manners and lack of sam eis what’s killing this society today. I tend to envy the Japanese their manners, it’s what’s probably held their society together for so long.
(Hey, two outrageous statements in one log! a personal best!)
Is a Polite Masturbator a contradiction in terms? Masturbating is the ultimate act of rudeness barely considered acceptable in today’s protestant-evolved society. The same can be said for Smoking?
So what? I find many people with various political views, self-righteous opinions, and religious beliefs to be extremely offensive and bothersome. Is this a problem? Hell yes. It causes me more undue stress than I care to admit to and it is an affront to a free and diverse society. Why? These are the people who are fanatically obsessed with asserting their beliefs while having very little concern for yours. And they are conceited enough to think that their small-minded, head-up-their-ass views are going to help you, or save you, and make the world better. How come no one is making laws against them? Freedom of speech isn’t just a concept of expelling hot air (that’s just farting, which is not that socially accepted). Freedom of religion isn’t a ticket to express and impose upon others (which many take it to be).
Some of you may think that what I’m talking about is facetious, and juvenile, and not on the same level – but you’d be wrong. Why do you think the issues of same-sex-marriages are so hotly debated? Laws that actually prohibit (specific sexual) actions between couples of the same sex that are distinctly kept legal for couples of opposite sex? The subject of abortion? People who are so concerned about human life that they are willing to harm and kill people over it. Is that any better? These little laws that are made for “the common good of all” can, and will, be twisted by those who have the most direst of needs to impose their will, their justice and morals, on others. For whatever reason. You’d have to be living under a rock, or have absolutely no concern for politics and societal laws, to not know of instances where “ordinary” laws were perversely enforced in such a way so as to discriminate and/or protect what would normally be considered unlawful. What about Missionaries who offer needed food, medicine, and aid in exchange for religious subjugation? Tell me you’d love to be in that situation. Choice? Not always. But here? Yes. You can choose to not go to smoking establishments (it sux, I know, but there are alternatives).
In Misha’s case, she should probably have the right to sue or obtain some sort of compensation for the resulting actions of others. It’s not unreasonable. You can sue a company for polluting (good luck, but it has been done), a store for injury due to neglect (even though there are an abundance of legal atrocities that highlight the flaws in the system), and random strangers for all sorts of injuries and trivial nuisances (damn bitchy neighbors). Mainly it’s about individuals/people being accountable for their own actions, and the results of their actions, while allowing others to live their lives as
… while allowing others to live their lives as they wish without the interference of others. Idealistic? Hell yeah. Do I have hopes that a people and society can achieve this? Fuck no. People are a shifty, disgusting, vile, greedy, demeaning, malicious, worthless lot of bastards as ever there were. No offence to any actual persons born bastards, unless you happen to fall in with this lot (which you most likely do).
There’s mention of “fat” people dying at a greater rate than smokers (note: masturbators are not on this list, and they tend to live longer due to relieved “stress”. What about the inconvenience of “fat” people? They take up too much space (like on planes and buses). They have low self-esteem and poor body image (that can be a downer for other people). Do they consume more (food, transportation fuel, clothing materials)? Is their poor health a burden to the rest of us (financially, socially, agriculturally)? Would we all be better off without “fat” people? There are people who would take that question very seriously. Is it something a “fat” person has a choice over? Is it genetic, or is it dietary habit? Is smoking a habit or an addiction? Much in the same way that food, alcohol, and drugs can be? TV/computers? Sex? Shopping? Gambling? Unproductively, procrastination, and laziness? Really bad tempers? Lying? Vegetarianism? These are all things that can interfere with (and ruin) people’s relationships, health, employment, lives, and they can all create unfair burdens upon others. Should we not then regulate, control, limit, and restrict these things for everyone? Protect those who might fall victim to these destructive habits/addictions?
Where does one draw the line? That depends on whom you ask. Don’t underestimate people. As low as you think they can go, there’s always someone who will surpass all your expectations.
“Smoking will kill you. Is it worth dying early so that you can smell foul?” – CrazyDave
… and there are people who reverently believe that masturbating is an affront to God and will damn you to Hell. But it’s your choice, and I’ll bet you do it whether you believe in that or not. That reminds me of the Greek philosopher who lamented: Would that I could cure my hunger by rubbing my belly.